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Saturday, February 6, 2016

Myles Power's Review of "Where Did the Towers Go?": Not Fantastic, but OK

I feel no shame in admitting that I haven't read Judy Wood's book Where Did the Towers Go?. Nor do I feel shame in admitting that I'm likely never going to read it. I've said as much before. I made it crystal clear to her followers that if there's some new ground-breaking information in her book that proves DEWs were used to "dustify" the Towers, then maybe I'd take a look. But since her book came out they've been trotting out the same claims we've heard for years, which are all easily refutable. 

Still, I've always felt it would be useful to have a comprehensive critique of the book that I can point people towards when they mention it to me. And last year it seemed like maybe my wish would be granted by none other than my 9/11 interlocutor Myles Power. As some of you know, Myles Power is the chemist and science blogger who made a series of debunking videos on 9/11 a few years ago, to which I wrote my own rebuttals in response. Last year he turned his attention to Judy Wood's book, after repeatedly being pestered by her followers, telling him to read it. So lo and behold, he bought it, and made the decision to actually sit down and read the thing, FSM help him.

Before really getting into what I want to talk about, I should make it clear from the start that, despite our disagreements on this particular issue, I have no personal grudge towards Myles at all. He seems like a nice enough fellow, and I'm sure that were we to meet socially, we'd get along just fine. And I admit that I've enjoyed quite a few of his science videos (e.g. this and this are two of my favorites).

Furthermore, he's done an fantastic job at debunking a whole host of genuine pseudo-science and crazy drivel. This much should be obvious from some the reactions he's received to his debunking, such as being DMCAed by AIDs deniers and anti-vaxers, and thrown out of psychic readings by the actual psychic. In my book, anyone who can annoy charlatans like these to that extant must be doing something right. 

That being said, there's a few things I felt were in need of critical assessment in regards to his review of Judy Wood's book. You can see everything he's said or written about the book by following this link. From the start, it's obvious this isn't the comprehensive, point-by-point refutation that I was hoping for, but that's sort of understandable when you consider what exactly he's working with here. His reviews demonstrate that, despite its size, the book contains an enormous amount of padding, filled with large pictures and irrelevant material. He describes it as basically an "adult picture book," and from what I've seen so far that seems like an accurate assessment. There probably just isn't as much to go on as the book's size suggests, so I shouldn't be that surprised that his critiques are fairly short. That's probably all it takes to debunk her anyway.

As it turns out, there actually is some material in the book I hadn't heard previously, as Myles' review demonstrates. Unfortunately for the DEWers, it's some of the most pathetic (and frankly cringe-worthy) "evidence" I've ever heard. Basically, Dr. Wood argues that images of people falling out of the Towers and appearing to shed their clothing is evidence of a DEW being used at the WTC. No, that doesn't make any sense, and Myles does a great job explaining why. She also repeats an often heard claim by those who haven't ade-quately studied the Towers' collapses, that WTC1 and WTC2 collapsed in 11 and 9 seconds, respectively. This claim has been debunked by people both inside and outside the Truth Movement repeatedly, so it really needs no further rebuttal. (For a more accurate look at the Towers' collapse times, see: Kenneth Kuttler, "Collapse Time Calculations for WTC 1".)

Myles also does a decent job of explaining why Wood's claims about the Towers being "dustified" is total bollocks. Wood apparently presents this photo of Ground Zero to demonstrate the supposed lack of steel debris at the site. Myles counters by pointing out that Wood never spoke with a single first-responder or member of the clean-up crew. This is a very significant point I've been making for years: neither Dr. Wood nor her followers have, or ever will, talk with the hundreds of workers who spent months clearing out the tonnes of steel that was present at GZ. I do think Myles could have rebutted this claim a bit more thoroughly had he shown other photos of GZ, rather than just the one aerial shot presented by Wood. The photographic record indisputably shows large sections of steel everywhere at GZ, which should be all the rebuttal one needs to show the steel wasn't "dustified." By all means, review the photos yourself. (And if you want to see a massive picture book that is worth buying, I highly recommend Joel Meyerowitz's Aftermath. Anyone who can look through that book and still believe the Towers were turned to dust is deluded beyond any hope.)

The one part in his review I disagree with thus far also just happens to be the section of Dr. Wood's book he somewhat agrees with. This is Wood's attempt to debunk arguments for more conventional demolition theories involving explosives and/or thermite. Myles admittedly says that Dr. Wood's debunking of this idea is "not fantastic, but OK," but still maintains she's right about this overall. But she's not. And Myles ought to know she's wrong about what she says. Granted, he should know this just based on my review of his video series, but one claim he agrees with left me shocked and somewhat disappointed with him. Myles says:
Perhaps the most fascinating section in this chapter is Wood’s rebuttal to those who say that thermite was used to bring the towers down. In my opinion, this is one of the more popular theories and is based on the paper published by Bentham Open journals, who have been heavily criticised in the scientific community for claiming to be peer reviewed, but accepting and publishing a fake paper generated using SCIgen. The paper the conspiracy is based on is called ‘Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 Word Trade Centre Catastrophe’ and claims that in the dust following the attacks, they were able to isolate and identify thermitic material that may have been used to bring the towers down. Wood, however, does not agree and points out the impracticality of using thermite and that the authors of the paper never found thermite in the first place. Instead, they found the ingredients of thermite which are very common – which Wood clumsily rebuts by saying that if we were to find “chocolate, sugar, and nano-wheat (flour) in the dust that would not prove that chocolate-chip cookies turned the buildings to dust”.
Several points to consider here. First, the claim that the ATM paper has been "heavily criticized" by the scientific community is not the same as saying the paper's findings have been rebutted. To date only one (non-peer reviewed) counter-study has been published, and that study has been found to contain a multitude of problems. As for this claim about the journal "accepting and publishing a fake paper," that is exactly what didn't happen. According to Bentham's director of publications, the paper was only accepted in order to determine the true identity of the author. The paper was never published. Even the author of the hoax paper acknowledged that:
From this one case, we cannot conclude that Bentham Science journals practice no peer review, only that it is inconsistently applied. Earlier this year, I reported on a case in which a nonsensical article submitted to another Bentham Science journal was rejected after going through peer review.
For anyone who thinks the ATM was not peer-reviewed, take Dr. Steve Jones' comments into consideration.
This paper was thoroughly peer-reviewed with several pages of tough comments that required of our team MONTHS of additional experiments and studies. It was the toughest peer-review I've ever had, including THREE papers for which I was first author in NATURE. [Source]
Further, our paper was reviewed prior to publication by the Physics dept. chair at BYU -- and he approved it for publication. His peer-review was NOT under the auspices of Bentham. (This peer-review was done because two of the authors are from this dept. at BYU... and Dr. Farrer requested the review.) [Source]
But the claim that really left me shocked and disappointed was Myles' insistence that "they found the ingredients of thermite which are very common." He also says that "the data that was put forward... doesn't prove that thermite was found in the dust. Basically it looks for certain elements... but it doesn't necessarily mean that these [elements] are combined together to make a certain compound..." I'm at a loss to understand how Myles reaches this conclusion. From the paper itself (p. 15):
From these data, it is determined that the red/gray chips from different WTC dust samples are extremely similar in their chemical and structural makeup. It is also shown that within the red layer there is an intimate mixing of the Fe-rich grains and Al/Si plate-like particles and that these particles are embedded in a carbon-rich matrix.
Myles also presents this quote from Dr. Wood's book.


The ATM paper makes it clear that these elements were not merely found in the dust, but that they were chemically combined together. As a chemist, Myles should be able to recognize this fact. He may dispute exactly what compound these elements make up, but I don't see how he can claim they aren't combined chemically. Again, he should know better, and Dr. Wood definitely should too.

Another point Myles raises, which is apparently also a point made by Dr. Wood, is that bomb-sniffing dogs would have detected explosives in the WTC buildings. The problem with this argument is that bomb-sniffing dogs are not trained to detect nanothermite or other formulations of thermite. Furthermore, as I stated in my review of the "9/11 Mysteries Viewer's Guide" (p. 112):
A bomb-sniffing dog expert and trainer was contacted and asked about what the dogs are trained to smell. He stated that LackLand AFB lists the explosives that the military trains their dogs on, so ultimately anyone with intelligence connections could get that list, and know how to get around it. He also stated that bomb-sniffing dogs are not trained to detect every type of possible explosive, as there are countless possible formulations.
The expert in question stated, "There are hundreds of thousands of explosives, and quite honestly we do about sixteen."

Dr. Wood and Myles also raise the point about how "witnesses reported hearing explosions. But the sound of an explosion does not necessarily mean that a bomb was detonated. Everything that goes “boom” is not necessarily a bomb." Been there, done that. It's not just the sounds we rely on. We've got the physical effects and the chemical composition of explosives in evidence as well.

In conclusion, Myles' review of Judy Wood's book is decent, but not the slam-dunk refutation I would prefer it to be. In other words (Myles' words in fact), it's not fantastic, but it's OK. Despite the points I've disputed above, I still enjoy and appreciate Myles' review, and would definitely recommend it to people who consider the book to have any sort of credibility. What other sorts of insanity dwell within its pages? If Myles reviews more of the book, we may just find out. Stay tuned.

Monday, December 16, 2013

How to Debunk DEW Arguments

One of the most frustrating claims I hear from DEW supporters is that "you need to read Judy Wood's book before you can critique her arguments." They of course ignore the fact that she's had her arguments debunked over and over again for the past several years, and to the best of my knowledge these critiques of her work have gone unrefuted. But DEW supporters seem to think that if you don't debunk Dr. Wood's book, you haven’t debunked Dr. Wood. This would only be true if there was some kind of new phenomenal evidence presented in her book that has never been discussed elsewhere by her in her online articles. I’ll freely admit that I haven't read the book, partly because I doubt there's anything substantially new in it that hasn't already been refuted by others. And I have good reason to think this. 

When I debated with DEW supporter "Emmanuel Goldstein" (whose real name is Thomas Potter) on Amazon, he listed off 41 points that supposedly show that the Towers were "dustified." He's obviously read her book (given that he defends it so passionately; and if he hasn't, then who's he to criticize others for not reading it?), and supposedly based his arguments off of information from said book. And I was able to immediately respond to every single one of these points because I had heard them all before. I saw nothing new in any of his arguments, and had an answer ready to go for each of them. So there are really only two possibilities: either there's nothing new in Judy Wood's book, or there's some ground breaking evidence presented in the book that DEW supporters don't feel like sharing with the rest of us. Either way, I still see no great incentive to buy her book. I may someday if I feel like wasting a chunk of my cash (her book currently sells anywhere from 45 to 60 dollars, and there's no preview for it on Amazon). Below I've reproduced my refutations of Mr. "Goldstein's" arguments, which I hope will help others in dealing with this absurd disinformation.

"1 The Twin Towers were destroyed faster than physics can explain by a free fall speed 'collapse.'"

Agreed. But this does not automatically mean that DEWs were used. And Dr. Wood's own calculations on the collapse rates of the Towers have been shown to be ludicrous.

"In an attempt to analyze the collapse times of the WTC towers (what she calls the "billiard ball" analysis), the conservation of momentum and energy are flagrantly violated. She assumes that with each collision, all momentum in the problem is obliterated. Her underlying assumptions are left unstated and the reader is left to ponder this egregious violation of physical law." http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/NISTRFCWoodRebuttalGBU.pdf
Better calculations of the collapse times of the Towers can be found here: 
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/ProfKuttlerWTC1CollapseTimeCalculations.pdf  

"2 They underwent mid-air pulverization (dustification) and were turned to dust before they hit the ground."

Specifically, the concrete and other non-metallic materials were pulverized. NONE of the steel from the Towers was "dustified."
 http://citizenfor911truth.wordpress.com/the-wtc-was-not-destroyed-with-directed-energy-weapons/

"3 The protective bathtub was not significantly damaged by the destruction of the Twin Towers."
False. The bathtub was significantly damaged: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O7LwySqtr4&t=41m14s 

"4 The rail lines, the tunnels and most of the rail cars had only light damage, if any."

Quote:


“Another source of data that is cited by proponents of the `missing debris' hypothesis relates to the non-catastrophic damage to the Bathtub, the ground zero region which was encircled by subterranean walls to hold back water from the Hudson River.
No credible analysis or quantitative measurements have been offered by the proponents of the `missing' debris hypothesis to support the claim that the Bathtub should have been catastrophically damaged.

The measured seismic activity explains why there was no catastrophic damage to the Bathtub:

Earthquakes of ML 2.3 are not known to cause any structural damage in buildings. In the eastern U.S. that threshold is believed to be close to or above ML 4 to 4.5.

From a paper by James Gourley, the Bathtub survived much more substantial
seismic activity in the past:

Additional credible data is available that indicates NYC is located in an active seismic zone. A search of the Advanced National Seismic System catalog of earthquakes from 1970 to 2005, inside an area between 38N and 43N Latitude, and between 71W and 76W Longitude (an area that runs from just south of New Jersey north to the middle of New York state, and from just west of New Jersey east to Rhode Island) reveals that at least 21 earthquakes having a magnitude greater than 3.0 occurred in that area during those 34 years.” 
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf 

"5 The WTC underground mall survived well, witnessed by Warner Bros. Road Runner and friends. There were reports that "The Gap" was looted."

See points 3 and 4.

"6 The seismic impact was minimal, far too small based on a comparison with the Kingdome controlled demolition."

See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf pg. 3

"7 The Twin Towers were destroyed from the top down, not bottom up."
 

Buildings have been demolished this way with explosives:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ1E2NPl-s8 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW9z08ml230 

"8 The demolition of WTC7 was whisper quiet and the seismic signal was not significantly greater than background noise."

It was not "whisper quiet."
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enkwHUB7tYc&t=1m54s Are you suggesting that WTC7 was also destroyed with DEWs?

"9 The upper 80 percent, approximately, of each tower was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth."

This is absolutely false. Steel was everywhere.
 http://citizenfor911truth.wordpress.com/the-wtc-was-not-destroyed-with-directed-energy-weapons/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o24GaV0lV5I and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqcM-B-pFuc  

"10 The upper 90 percent, approximately, of the inside of WTC7 was turned into fine dust and did not crash to the earth."

Evidence for this? And why only the inside? How would a DEW do that?

"11 One file cabinet with folder dividers survived."

Not conclusive proof of DEWs.
 

"12 No toilets survived or even recognizable portions of one."

Yes, because porcelain survives well in building collapses.

"13 Windows of nearby buildings had circular and other odd-shaped holes in them."

They were blown in by the massive pressure waves of the collapses.

"14 In addition to the odd window damage, the marble facade was completely missing from around WFC1 and WFC2 entry, with no other apparent structural damage."

I think they were damaged by the STEEL from the Towers.
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/photos/gzap6.html  

"15 Fuzzballs, evidence that the dust continued to break down and become finer and finer."

See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/JenkinsFe-DustSupplemental.pdf pg. 13

"16 Truckloads of dirt were hauled in and hauled out of the WTC site, a pattern that continues to this day."

See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/JenkinsFe-DustSupplemental.pdf
 pg. 15

"17 Fuming of the dirt pile. Fuming decreased when watered, contrary to fumes caused by fire or heat."

See point 16.

"18 Fuzzyblobs, a hazy cloud that appeared to be around material being destroyed."

See point 16.

"19 The Swiss-Cheese appearance of steel beams and glass."

Could have been caused by the collapse and the explosives.

"20 Evidence of molecular dissociation and transmutation, as demonstrated by the near-instant rusting of affected steel."

There was no "instant rusting." See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/JenkinsFe-DustSupplemental.pdf pg. 7

"21 Weird fires. The appearance of fire, but without evidence of heating."

No evidence of heating?
 http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dreger/GroundZeroHeat2008_07_10.pdf
  

"22 Lack of high heat. Witnesses reported that the initial dust cloud felt cooler than ambient temperatures. No evidence of burned bodies."

The dust clouds were reported to be hot:
 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/oralhistories/dustcloud.html  

"23 Columns were curled around a vertical axis like rolled-up carpets, where overloaded buckled beams should be bent around the horizontal axis."

The columns could be bent in any direction in the collapse. And I thought the columns were supposed to be dustified, not bent.

"24 Office paper was densely spread throughout lower Manhattan, unburned, often along side cars that appeared to be burning."

See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/JenkinsFe-DustSupplemental.pdf pg. 10

"25 Vertical round holes were cut into buildings 4, 5 and 6, and into Liberty street in front of Bankers Trust, and into Vesey Street in front of WTC6, plus a cylindrical arc was cut into Bankers Trust."

This does not support DEWs. See:
 
http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/Szamboti_The_Damage_to_WTC_Bldg._s_3_and_6__and_the_debate_between_the_controlled_demolition_and_beam_weapon_theories.pdf  

"26 All planes except top secret missions were ordered down until 10:31 a.m. (when only military flights were allowed to resume), after both towers were destroyed, and only two minutes (120 seconds) after WTC 1 had been destroyed."

Interesting and good points to raise concerning the lack of air defense on 9/11. But not evidence of DEWs.

"27 Approximately 1,400 motor vehicles were towed away, toasted in strange ways, during the destruction of the Twin Towers."

See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2007/JenkinsFe-DustSupplemental.pdf   

"28 The order and method of destruction of each tower minimized damage to the bathtub and adjacent buildings."

Perhaps, but this still is not proof of DEWs. The collapse of the Towers damaged several buildings hundreds of feet away.

"29 More damage was done to the bathtub by earth-moving equipment during the clean-up process than from the destruction of more than a million tons of buildings above it."

See points 3 and 4.

"30 Twin Tower control without damaging neighboring buildings, in fact all seriously damaged and destroyed buildings had a WTC prefix."

The other WTC buildings were obviously closer to the Towers, so that makes sense.

"31 The north wing of WTC 4 was left standing, neatly sliced from the main body which virtually disappeared."

Yes, it was crushed by the falling STEEL.

"32 For more than seven years, regions in the ground under where the main body of WTC4 stood have continued to fume."

See point 15

"33 The WTC1 and WTC2 rubble pile was far too small to account for the total mass of the buildings."

Wrong. See:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf 

"34 The WTC7 rubble pile was too small for the total mass of the building and consisted of a lot of mud."

So you think WTC7 was demolished with DEWs? If the columns in the building were cut, the pile could fold and fit into the footprint. Which by the way is the point of demolitions with explosives.

"35 Eyewitness testimony about toasted cars, instant disappearance of people by "unexplained" waves, a plane turning into a mid-air fireball, electrical power cut off moments before WTC 2 destruction, and the sound of explosions."

Evidence for any of this? Explosions would be consistent with demolition with explosives.

"36 Eyewitness testimony of Scott-pack explosions in fire trucks and fire trucks exploding that were parked near the WTC."

Many of the trucks were on fire. Of course things in them would explode.

"37 There were many flipped cars in the neighborhood of the WTC complex near trees with full foliage."

The collapse of two 110 story buildings can do that ya know.

"38 Magnetometer readings in Alaska recorded abrupt shifts in the earth's magnetic field with each of the events at the WTC on 9/11."

How is this evidence of DEW? Also, see:
 http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200702/Implausibility-Directed-Energy-Beam-Demolish-WTC-by-Gregory-Jenkins.pdf pg. 6 

"39 Hurricane Erin, located just off Long Island on 9/11/01, went virtually unreported in the days leading up to 9/11, including omission of this Hurricane on the morning weather map, even though that portion of the Atlantic Ocean was shown on the map."

Maybe it wasn't talked about on 9/11 because the worst terrorist attack in history was happening?

"40 Sillystring, the appearance of curious cork-screw trails."

Not sure what that's supposed to be. Elaborate please.

"41 Uncanny similarities with the Hutchison Effect, where the Hutchison Effect exhibits all of the same phenomena listed above."

None of which was caused by this effect or DEWs.

Friday, September 21, 2012

The Good News and the Bad News

The good news is that physicist Dr. Crockett Grabbe’s ebook National Swindle of the World Trade Center is now available on Amazon.com. The book is 7 chapters long, roughly 113 pages in length, and delivers strong, responsible scientific evidence that the WTC buildings were brought down with explosives.

The bad news is that someone from the DEW crowd just had to show up and start trouble. After having written a review of Dr. Grabbe’s book, someone by the name of “Emmanuel Goldstein” posted a long negative 1-star review of the book. His criticism is common amongst DEW advocates; loaded assertions, baseless accusations, and outright falsities. I responded to his review in the comments, which unfortunately started a long and ultimately pointless debate. I asked this person many times to address the steel found at Ground Zero, but he did not. I find it funny how the DEW people are so keen on ignoring this point, which is the crux of their whole argument; that the steel from the Towers was “dustified.” I’ve had run-ins with DEW people before, and it never ends well. I always hope in vain that eventually I’ll manage to reach just one of them. But it becomes painfully obvious all the time that this is just wishful thinking on my part.
My advice to anyone who runs into people like this: just ignore them. That is, if you get into a discussion with one of these DEW people and they blatantly ignore the evidence you present, just end the discussion right then and there. If they’re going to ignore your arguments, then you have every reason to ignore them entirely. They have been conned by a failed engineer who has done nothing but harm the credibility of the 9/11 Truth Movement for the last half a decade. However, if on the off chance that a DEW advocate is willing to listen to valid criticisms of Judy Wood’s hypothesis, then by all means continue the discussion. I doubt you’ll find someone like that, but anything’s possible.
To see where my debate with Mr. “Goldstein” currently stands, follow this link. Please keep in mind that I have responded to every one of his points, whereas he has responded to hardly anything I’ve said. Instead of addressing me directly, he continues to rehash the same debunked points, and is also under the impression I’m YouTuber “exposethebunk.” Twice now I’ve had to inform him that is not me. Will he believe me eventually? I doubt it. If these people can look at the photographs of Ground Zero and still believe that the steel was “dustified,” then it’s hardly surprising that they would believe me to be somebody I’m not.
*UPDATE*
It's worse than I thought. I thought this person only became aware of me after I posted my response to his review. As it turns out, this man has been obsessed with me for months. That's right. This man has devoted his time to slandering little ol' me since at least two months ago. Here's just the comments from him I could find on this video:
 
 
I can think of no better response than this:


*UPDATE 2*

 And now we come to this:



 These people are pathetic.